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    Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'

    Rookie

      With the new option to be able to turn the power on to a machine at a scheduled time, are there any requirements of the machine itself?  Does it use Wake-On-LAN?  I've tried it a few times with different machines but haven't been successful.  If it needs WOL packets to be transmitted that could explain it since our Core server is in a different subnet than any of our client machines.  This would be a useful feature for nights we run maintenance or decide to deploy major software upgrades.

        • 1. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
          phoffmann SupportEmployee

          If you're doing this over different subnets, scheduled a multicast job with the WOL option - that way, the MDR (Multicast Domain Rep) will do the WOL-packets himself on his respective subnet.

           

          This has been possible (and a way to do it) for years though.

           

          Paul Hoffmann

          LANDesk EMEA Technical Lead

          • 2. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
            MarXtar SSMMVPGroup

            Paul,

             

            I think Dwayne is talking about the 8.8 SP2 power management.  In there you can set  policy to turn on a device.  Is this meant to be able to power on a PC at a particular time?  Sounds like he's trying that but it isn't working.  If it is meant to do that how does it do it?

             

            Mark Star - MarXtar LANDesk Enhancements

            Home of Power State Notifier & Wake-On-WAN for LANDesk

            • 3. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
              MarXtar SSMMVPGroup

              Oh dear,

               

              I thought I'd take a closelook at this.  It appears that a script is run during install to set the network card to accept wake up via magic packets. Step one in using Wake-On-LAN to turn on systems.

               

              When I applied a power policy, after application a second scheduled task appeared that was for the power on.  This would indicate it is going to use WoL to do the job. can't see it doing anything other than sending the magic packet fom the core server and if you have more than one timezone you are in trouble because the start time is in the timezone of the core server.

               

              Mark Star - MarXtar LANDesk Enhancements

              Home of Power State Notifier & Wake-On-WAN for LANDesk

              • 4. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                phoffmann SupportEmployee

                Well - all of that makes sense, from an implementing point of view.

                 

                It's not as if we can magically add a piece of code to have machines power-up themselves from various states of being "off" (i.e. - S1 / S3 / "actually off") to powering on ... 'cos the client is - well - powered down :).

                 

                So while I certainly see the point about multi-timezones, regarding power-up I am not sure anything else is feasible to do.

                 

                Powering off is done via local time, from what I've seen + played with, which again makes sense.

                 

                So while the hurdle is certainly recognizable, I'm not quite sure what you would suggest instead -- some kind of "timekeeping" server-app in its stead? That wouldn't help much either though, as computers can travel timezones (i..e - person X goes from New York site to London site for a week -- 5 hrs difference).

                 

                ... so not quite sure what the point is you're making beyond "think first when configuring this on a global scale" ?

                 

                Paul Hoffmann

                LANDesk EMEA Technical Lead

                • 5. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                  MarXtar SSMMVPGroup

                  I'll answer that one :)

                   

                  First, use the 'wake up computer to perform this task' capability that windows has in its scheduler to cover standby.  Use a WoL capability that traverses subnets (can't say for certain this isn't happening but according to the first post in the thread it appears it isn't) and maybe support vPro which doesnt seem to be handled.

                   

                  There are better ways to do this especially ones that do not add a recurring task in the scheduler. Plus LANDesk is way overdue being able to handle timezones especially since it would be possible to collect information from the machine and use this to offset the scheduler timings.

                   

                  Finally, try putting something behind the question mark icon so that someone actually has some help text instead of having to reverse engineer it to work out what it is meant to do. ;)

                   

                  Mark Star - MarXtar LANDesk Enhancements

                  Home of Power State Notifier & Wake-On-WAN for LANDesk

                  • 6. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                    LANDave SupportEmployee

                    The additional documentation (help file) for Power Management and Launchpad is a separate download and is mentioned in the top of the  README for SP2 for LDMS 8.8.

                     

                    The document mentions this link:

                     

                    http://www.landesk.com/uploadedFiles/LDMS88sp2docs_en.zip

                     

                    Extract these files to your main ManagementSuite directory.

                    • 7. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                      MarXtar SSMMVPGroup

                      Got that. Doesn't really fill in the gaps all that much but it is better than nothing.  Wierd thing is that while it says it cannot enable WoL there is a vbscript running at agent insll designed to attempt just that plus I think it tries to choose a different setting to the one in the manual).  Won't pass comment on the need to copy manuals in rather than them being part of the install.

                       

                      I am a little biased though since our products are aimed at complementing these new features.

                       

                      Mark Star - MarXtar LANDesk Enhancement

                      Home of Power State Notifier & Wake-On-WAN for LANDesk

                      • 8. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                        Rookie

                        Thanks for all the discussion on this.  I guess I was hoping there was some new BIOS setting or something that this feature was taking advantage of which could schedule a power-on, but it makes sense that it cannot do that.  What may be more of my problem is that I didn't realize when I was sending out a multicast WOL, it was actually shutting the machines down afterwards.  The little bit at the end of this document mentions a registry change which may help with what I'm trying to do:

                         

                        http://community.landesk.com/support/docs/DOC-2090

                         

                        I would then be able to send out a scheduled dummy multicast deployment to wake the machines up just once (provided there's at least one machine alive in the subnet) and trust the power management options to either shut them down or bring them back to standby after a certain amount of time.

                         

                        Thanks again for the assistance.

                        • 9. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                          LANDave SupportEmployee

                          In our testing here at LANDesk support we are also noticing that the "Turn On" option in Power Management is returning the computer to the last state, which of course is going to be "Off".   I am submitting a defect to our developers to see if we can handle this differently, as it is not very productive to turn computers off immediately after turning them on.  

                           

                          I'll update this thread.

                          • 10. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                            jmichno Apprentice

                            So to keep me from being confused...  (lost cause)

                             

                            sp2 Power Management - Power on state IS or IS not a policy that the local machine is able to perform itself without the use of WOL?

                            • 11. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                              LANDave SupportEmployee

                              No, it is not a client side function.

                               

                              It is only the WOL portion that is sent from the core server.

                              • 12. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                                mcmullina Rookie

                                What happened to the WOL option in the Web console for Landesk 9?

                                • 13. Re: Option to Schedule 'Turn Power On'
                                  spriefer@chausa.org Rookie

                                  Is there a way to clean up these power on scripts so you dont end up having a bunch of them?  Such as a script that cleans out the taks that completed successfully.

                                   

                                  When you deploy the power policy with an agent why does it not create tasks in the task scheduler to power on the machine?

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